tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post114194258308947618..comments2024-03-24T10:38:16.997-07:00Comments on Geeking with Greg: Growth, crap, and spamGreg Lindenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-55053084322413825742008-08-04T14:09:00.000-07:002008-08-04T14:09:00.000-07:00This idea of a social group lifecycle and how it a...This idea of a social group lifecycle and how it applies to the Web is interesting. <BR/><BR/>Is there a kind of Woodstock versus Carnegie Hall tradeoff? Or is this more like urban neighborhood planning and transitions but with a faster timescale?<BR/><BR/>Does anyone have pointers to a long term discussion or search terms that identify current research in social group lifecycles, Internet crowd control, or group incentive design?Paul Baclacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01190461887856072497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1143076622391778772006-03-22T17:17:00.000-08:002006-03-22T17:17:00.000-08:00Design for the detail (even if you don't implement...Design for the detail (even if you don't implement in Version 1.0 -- you can't imagine every outcome, but one thing you can imagine is your web site being flooded by SPAM and JUNK.<BR/><BR/>The devil is in the details.amckinnishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01669076739841687326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1142002407776598072006-03-10T06:53:00.000-08:002006-03-10T06:53:00.000-08:00I read Memeorandum and my feeds via Findory favori...I read Memeorandum and my feeds via Findory favorites.<BR/><BR/>As Greg said, they are less competitors than two services that complement each other well. Although, they do compete for my time. Right now I would say they about equal on my time scale.jeff.daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12887721174386884522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141996184526419522006-03-10T05:09:00.000-08:002006-03-10T05:09:00.000-08:00Well, I'm still a fan, Gabe -- whether or not you ...Well, I'm still a fan, Gabe -- whether or not you show our stuff.<BR/><BR/>To be honest, I don't have Scoble's problem. I read my feeds AND Memeorandum both, which of course puts out its own feeds. Gives me the best of both worlds, stuff that Memeorandum might miss but also stuff I might miss in my feeds. Of course, I take the Topix search engine feeds and some other news sources, as well.Danny Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16460050147718077133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141975027229914072006-03-09T23:17:00.000-08:002006-03-09T23:17:00.000-08:00I think Scoble's problem is with the "echo chamber...I think Scoble's problem is with the "echo chamber" effect that is propagated by memeorandum. And that is not memeorandum's fault - as Gabe rightly pointed out, memeorandum is designed to capture *interesting* conversations across the blogosphere. It is not personalized (is it because you get lots of small clusters, Gabe? :) - and even that approach would lead to the problem of reinforcement in the long run.isbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09710710508151619778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141974672411198332006-03-09T23:11:00.000-08:002006-03-09T23:11:00.000-08:00Thanks Greg.Thanks Greg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141968084967303442006-03-09T21:21:00.000-08:002006-03-09T21:21:00.000-08:00Thoughtful response to Gabe's comments...Thoughtful response to Gabe's comments...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141961904741070322006-03-09T19:38:00.000-08:002006-03-09T19:38:00.000-08:00Hi, Gabe. Good to hear from you!You make a great ...Hi, Gabe. Good to hear from you!<BR/><BR/>You make a great point. To be honest, I'm going off of what Robert said in his post, nothing more. I saw he turned from Memeorandum's biggest fan to disillusioned with the site, and took that as evidence that there is a problem.<BR/><BR/>I have to admit I don't use Memeorandum regularly. But, when I have used it, I have been impressed with your ability to filter out spam and crap. You seem to include only top weblogs -- a good filter to start, though at the cost of the long tail -- and your algorithms generally appear to surface and prioritize good content.<BR/><BR/>So, I was basing my conclusions on Robert's post and his change of heart. If I misunderstood his reasons, I apologize.<BR/><BR/>I also apologize if my post gave the appearance of trashing your product to promote Findory. That was not my intent. I did not mention Findory in my post. I did not intend the post to be a comparison of Digg, Memeorandum, and Findory. I consider Findory to be different than Memeorandum and Digg, not a direct competitor.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141961316515322752006-03-09T19:28:00.000-08:002006-03-09T19:28:00.000-08:00Hi, Alex. You make a good point that it may not m...Hi, Alex. You make a good point that it may not make a lot of sense to do a huge amount of work on any part of a system before it is really necessary.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, making these systems robust to crap is the hard part of building them. Building an simple but unsustainable system sets you up in a trap. Once you get big, if you have never thought carefully about it, you may not be able to dig yourself out of the hole.Greg Lindenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09216403000599463072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141956941115779732006-03-09T18:15:00.000-08:002006-03-09T18:15:00.000-08:00Greg, do you have any data, any shred of evidence,...Greg, do you have any data, any shred of evidence, that spam, or "crap" has increased on memeorandum? Scoble's problem was that he wasn't reading his own favorite feeds, because he was so addicted (his words) to memeorandum. That problem will always arise when you exclusively read something that isn't designed to be comprehensive. Memeorandum isn't.<BR/><BR/>Memeorandum was indeed designed from the start to deal with crap. Doesn't mean it's a 100% success, but I think I've managed the tradeoffs pretty well, and things are always improving.<BR/><BR/>Greg, I don't want to seem condescending, but when you're trashing other people's stuff to tout your own product, it's doubly important to make sure your arguments seem reasonable. You don't want your credibility to turn to, uh, crap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6569681.post-1141943151271621592006-03-09T14:25:00.000-08:002006-03-09T14:25:00.000-08:00It looks the personal opinion of Robert Scoble tha...It looks the personal opinion of Robert Scoble that content on memeorandum is crap. If the articles written by him are not appearing with the regularity that they were apppearing in the past then it does not translate into "crap".<BR/><BR/>I bet you his article about memeorandum being crap will make it to tech.memeorandum. So is he contributing to the crap he is just complaining about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com